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James Grage: Last time you and I spoke, we talked about ketogenic diets, we talked about a traditional keto diet vs. a modified keto diet, which kind of led into some different side conversations. Once I watched the video, I realized how many more things I wanted to talk about. Whitney and I were talking about it and Whitney’s probably dieted for photoshoots and bodybuilding competitions as much as I have. So I wanted to bring him here because there’s two ways we could look at this: there’s the medical perspective and then there’s the real-world perspective of losing body fat. Just doing it over and over and knowing how to do it. Whitney, at this point, if you knew you had 10+ weeks to get in shape, you know you could do it.
Whitney Reid: I’d be in shape in eight weeks.
James: It’s the same thing for me. It’s one thing to know how to do it, but you could explore potentially the best way to do it and also maybe what’s best in the long term. Like when we talked about the health benefits as well.

Dr. Brett Osborn: Sure.

James: The main thing that I want to dive into first because I have some pet peeves about it: I still feel like there’s so much bullsh*t out there when it comes to ketogenic dieting. There’s so much bad information. People will take a little bit of truth and then it gets morphed and it changes into this weird thing. So people out there have weird ideas of what a ketogenic diet is or what the benefit of being in ketosis is. There are some things that I can’t even find. If I go on Google or if I go on PubMed, I can’t even find information. So I really just want to pick your brain. This is like the quest for the perfect diet. We’ve talked a lot about it before. Knowing guys like Whitney and I still like going to the gym, still want to be able to build lean muscle or preserve lean muscle and get lean at the same time. But now we’re at a point in our life where we also want to look at long-term health as well. We talked about comparing a low-carb diet where you’re in a low-insulin state, so your body is efficiently utilizing fat as a source of fuel but you’re not in ketosis versus being in ketosis where your body is still in this fat-burning state but your body is now producing ketones. Aside from fat loss, we talked about the benefits of ketones as a source of fuel for your brain, that being the primary benefit of ketones.

Dr. O: Right. There’s data on what are called the neuroprotective effects of ketones so we then believe that the onset and progression of diseases like Alzheimer’s is slowed by the presence of ketone bodies in your bloodstream.

James: So there are health benefits, but specific to weight loss – because I think that’s what most people are concerned about when they’re doing a ketogenic diet.

Dr. O: The thing about it then is that ketones are just a marker.

Whitney: To know you’re in ketosis.